Renewing our TIEs in Spain

Official Spanish Residents… Again

In Mairena, Spain, Moving to Spain by Susan8 Comments

Renewing our TIEs in Spain

Our visa renewal was a doozy

Our third year as Spanish residents ended in September of 2020.  Just as we did with our last visa renewal, we started in July to get our submission done before the August holidays shut things down tight.  We’d been through this drill before and anticipated a September approval, new identity cards a couple of weeks later and two more years of legal resident status.

Like last time we decided to enlist the help of our friendly relocation expert, Linda Svilane of YES Valencia.

At first we tried to submit our paperwork online.  After many file loading failures (they want every page of your passport, even empty pages, but that exceeds the allowed file size), we gave up and went the traditional in-person route.  By then, the first appointment available was August 5.

In hindsight, that should have told us things would be different this time around.  We met Linda at the nearly empty (due to Covid) government office and successfully submitted our application materials.  They scanned all the documents and returned the originals to us.  It took no more than 10 or 15 minutes.

I thought, great! Maybe Covid-19 won’t be a stumbling block.  That was my last sunny expectation.

We began checking our application status on the government website daily beginning the last week of August.  That proved to be a bit optimistic as the daily checking continued into September and throughout October.  We grew more than a little antsy as our status stubbornly remained “In Progress.”  Finally, on October 28 we received email notification of our Approval. Hooray.

Step 1 became Step 1a and Step 1b

So, we were approved but we still weren’t done. We needed an appointment with the Policia Nacional to obtain new identity cards and couldn’t get that darn appointment. Plus, we were trying to accomplish this process before we moved on October 30.

Because of the delay we had to complete the process in a new province - Andalucia. Moving to Andalucia meant we wouldn’t be able to lean on Linda from YES Valencia.

It also meant we needed to add a step. I’ll call this Step 1b. Because we changed our address after submitting our visa renewal paperwork we needed a new Padron de Habitantes, commonly known as just the “Padrón.” Residents obtain this by registering their official address with the town hall.

Once we had our visa approval letter (which had to be forwarded from our last address), the proprietors of Las Chimeneas allowed us to use the hotel address and helped us register at the municipal office in Mairena.

With the Padrón in hand we were ready to make an appointment at the National Police headquarters in Granada to update our TIE or national identity card.

Step 2 is harder than Step 1

If you recall, Jamie was searching for this same appointment back in the Valencia province. Now he’s searching the website daily for an appointment in the Granada province. After a month of searching, at five o’clock in the morning on December 30th three appointments popped up, one each on March third, fourth, and fifth. Even though we would have to make back-to-back trips to Granada, he grabbed the appointments on the third and fourth.
A side note about appointments:

We’re still in the dark about why visa processing has been in molasses in January mode.  Clearly, the government offices aren’t working at full strength.  Some people say Brexit related applications overflowed the system.  There are almost 200,000 long-term UK residents in Spain and many needed to take action on their status by December 31, 2020.  That certainly would contribute to the glut.

Because government appointments are so difficult to get, we’ve heard of people paying others to get them an appointment.  The going rate seems to be around fifty euros.  People who know the system can pick up a group of appointments.  I know one person who paid his accountant for an appointment to exchange his British drivers license for a Spanish one.  It is possible for a person to make a group of appointments.  Jamie discovered this accidentally when he used all of his contact information to make both his and my appointments.

We also know that people grab more than one appointment for themselves in case they have to re-do something and come back the next day or next week.  If all goes well at their first appointment, they can always cancel the subsequent ones.  This is partly why it’s important to check every single day for appointments.  It's also why getting an appointment is like finding gold.

Success (almost)

In January and February we filled out the forms, gathered our other paperwork, paid the fee at a bank in Ugíjar (there is no bank in Mairena) and waited another month.

Early in the morning on the day of our appointment, we each checked and rechecked that we had the required documents and copies of the documents.  And then to play it safe we decided to bring all the paperwork we submitted back in August to the appointment, just in case.

We left Mairena at 7 a.m. We were that anxious. It gave us time for breakfast, new visa-sized photos, and a little grocery shopping.

Jamie was up first up with an 11:30 appointment.  Still fretting, he decided to show up thirty minutes early.  The police officer at the door turned him away with directions to arrive only five minutes in advance.  He returned at the appointed time and ended up waiting another 45 minutes.

The following day my appointment was right on schedule.  I walked up five minutes before, was ushered inside, helped to register my presence by the policeman responsible for the X-ray screening and waited only a few minutes.

We had slightly different experiences with the staff.  Jamie’s paperwork was accepted as is and they took two visa photos from him.  I was only asked for one photo.  My agent, holding my old identity card in her hand, asked me to produce a photocopy of the card.  Now, the instructions said nothing about bringing a photocopy of this particular document.  Jamie didn’t have to produce a photocopy.  But my agent wanted one and she wasn’t going to walk across the room and make one on her copier.  This is where bringing my portable file cabinet with me paid off.  I handed her a photocopy and passed her test.

Next it was fingerprint time.  This is always a problem for me and it gets worse every year as my prints get lighter.  I was given special gel -- no luck.  Then asked to rub my fingers on my forehead -- still nothing.   Finally, I was passed off to another agent to see if his machine was more sensitive  -- nope.

Fingerprints are embedded into the ID card, the agent cannot move on until the machine accepts a quality print of at least one finger.   This was turning out to be a problem.

I stood there as the  two agents were talking rapidly to each other much too quickly for me to follow. Sometimes they were laughing.  Sometimes they were dead serious.  Me, I was starting to sweat.

And maybe that's what did it because I was eventually shuffled back to stand in front of the original agent.  As I watched her start stamping my papers my blood pressure dropped 20 points.

Step 3: The Pickup

We had to return to Granada to pick up our new identity cards.  Jamie was directed to make an appointment no sooner than 40 days.  My paperwork said one month - YIKES, two different instructions from the same office.

We didn’t have to worry about whether we waited 30 days or 40 days.  Jamie was back on the computer the next day to secure appointments to pick up our new identity cards.  That was March 5th.  The first available appointment was April 19.

We did get two appointments on the same day.  Three minutes apart.  That was nice.

The pick-up was so smooth I feel like I’m still in a dream as I write this.  We were eight minutes early and ushered right in the building.  I thought I’d have to go through the whole fingerprint rigamarole again so a friend suggested I use lip balm on my finger to make my fingerprints stand out more.  I  was prepared.  I loaded a tissue with lip balm and tucked it in my pocket.  Then, they didn’t even ask for my fingerprints.  Maybe my file was noted, “This woman has no fingerprints.”

It turns out Jamie could have benefited from my lip balm loaded tissue.  It took them three tries on each finger before they were satisfied that he was a match.

Really, it didn't take us more than a few minutes to complete this final step, provided you don't count the four hours of driving between Mairena and Granada.

Our newly renewed visas expire on September 12, 2022.  That’s just 17 months away.  Thinking about that just makes my head hurt.

After nearly nine months, our bureaucratic odyssey was finally at an end.  Naturally, we felt like celebrating and went out for an Alhambra Cerveza Roja.  It was only half past twelve, but we didn't care.  It was five o'clock somewhere.

Susan Carey retired in 2017 after a long business career.  She writes about her experiences as a vagabond in Europe.  Susan shares her gentle life with her husband, Jamie, and two geriatric cats they brought with them from the United States.

Comments

  1. Susan – hello, how are you? Jamie and cats? I’ve read a little bit about your adventures. I’d love to reconnect when you have time.
    Mary Alida

    1. Hello Mary Alida. So good to hear from you. I will get in contact by email. Thanks for writing.

  2. Amaizing! I thought we were alone going through the hell to get our residencies and change my UK driving license to Spanish one.

    After 4 and half month I got it.

    After reading your post I understood why those appointments were so rare. Like a real gold!

    And how much time it would save us if we would book few in the next days. Next time we will be smarter 🙂

    And that video…. omg… we were sending the same one to our friends to describe what we literally going through.

    Also we after all process we ended up with blocked BBVA bank accounts. I got mine unblocked just today (after alsmot 40 days – no explanation from bank why). So my suggestion avoid BBVA. And what I found that N26 also issues Spanish IBAN’s so whole process took around 10 min at home in front of computer… while we were waiting in Caixs for 15 min to get on the que…. and then decided to look for online solutions.

    Thanks for sharing.

    1. Author

      Martin, you were definitely not alone in your visa renewal ordeal. Not that it’s any consolation! We at least we never had any problem with our banking. This is the first I’ve heard of N26 but it looks like a good option. We used Deutsche Bank in Valencia and it was ideal for us.

      Our friends and family really didn’t understand our plight until we shared that video with them. Now they are all afraid to come to Spain. 🙂

  3. Miss you guys… but glad you are doing well! How is life in the countryside? Hope we can come to visit sometime when it is possible!

    1. Author

      Hi Lane. Life’s been great to us here. But, you will be sorry to learn that we are making a change next week which will make a visit difficult. We’ve decided to return to the US for some family/friend time and a vaccine since both travel and vaccine options are not happening for us here…yet. We’re going to return to Spain in September but we don’t know where just yet. It depends on so much. I hope all is well with you. Thanks for sharing your website. I look forward to following you.

  4. I’m so glad I watched the video before reading on! When I got to your “portable file cabinet” sentence the image of the actress in my head suddenly had your face and I laughed out loud!

    1. Author

      I’m glad it gave you a good chuckle. One time we were told to bring a copy of a document so that’s what we brought. At the appointment they said, “Where’s the original?” So, we had to make a new appointment and bring both the copy and the original. That’s why we go with our portable file cabinets.

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